Oli1710

All very well. You're missing the point though. They didn't change or repair the transmission. I called both Nissan and Ford management regarding the issue (abused them too) and they just defended their conduct. I have emails to prove this. It doesn't bother me at all, I had fun with it, but it's not fair on the poor guy that pays $100,000 for a car with a problem that's going to cost you extra money you didn't interested to spend. If I could help them out I'd be happy. I'm no GTR technician, but I asked which shift fork is broken so I could source one myself. I was told they didn't know because you cand see that far back in the transmission. I could only guess it was the first fork from the broken tip I had.

Yes both. The report from Nissan indicating there was nothing wrong with the car was provided a few hours after I handed the car over. The exact same report that apparently indicated the transmission required a full rebuild when it was done for me. There is no doubt that something in there broke. The noise was horrible when it happened and I have the broken part of one of the shift forks in my possession.

I haven't ruled out ACA either yet, haha. They would never sell another GTR... And they shouldn't!

I confronted the general manager of the dealership group about it and the Nissan dealership in question. Both went on the defensive. The general manager stated; "it's not misleading or deceptive conduct because we sold it to a wholesaler in NSW." Is that comfort to the person who now owns it or any consumer that deals with scum that think like that? He missed the finer detail of the law... It's not my place to give legal advice here.

Update: To date I have found that the GTR was sold in NSW. The number plate was changed to: CMJ78H. If you own a black R35 GTR in NSW with registration plates CMJ-78H or you know the person that does, feel free to get in touch with me. I have documented evidence to prove that two dealerships (both members of the same dealership group) collaborated to cover up critical mechanical damage to the transmission to sell the car for market value without repairing the damage. I also have some other interesting history about the car that you may have been lied to about... As I was... (0467555220 - Oli)

To clarify. When I was driving I heard a horrible noise coming from the transmission (almost like a grinder against metal) as I down-geared into second. I was approaching an intersection at the time. A warning came up on the dashboard display. When turned onto the busy road I found there was no acceleration. the accelerated to 40 km/h and nothing more. two cars had to take evasive action not to hit me. I was very confused and startled. I tried to drive the car again and found I only had 1st, 3rd and 5th gerars. 2nd, 4th and 6th were locked out. I connected my cobb and tried to clear the fault but it couldn't clear it, so I had the car towed home on the back of a truck and subsequently the same to Nissan. Nissan ran diagnostics for several days, exchanging emails to and from Japan. It was ultimately decided to drop the oil and remove the valve body for inspection. when the valve body was removed a metal piece the size of a thumb dropped out. this was the tip of a gear selector fork. the valve body was put back in and the oil replaced. The fault then cleared and the car seemed to drive fine, but Nissan was insistent that transmission required a "full rebuild." These words were used on the service document, a subsequent document after the oil was replaced, another document after I asked Nissan to inspect a noise on the car and an unsolicited letter sent to my house reminding me that my car's transmission required a "full rebuild." Nissan could not even tell me which shift fork was broken as the forks were too deep in the transmission and this could only be done by sending the transmission away and stripping it apart. Even after that they they could only tell me which fork was broken, but not replace/repair the fork. Their policy apparently is only to replace and not repair anything on the GTR transmission. When the car was traded it was traded with a condition that I would allow the Ford dealer to have the car inspected by Nissan (the same Nissan dealer that stated in no less than four documents to me that the transmission required a rebuild). I had no issue with this and full disclosure of the fault was made. As such I took an enormous cut on the trade in price. The car drove perfectly fine and If I had sold it privately a buyer would be none the wiser and they could not identify the fault without spending thousands to have the transmission stripped. However, I'm not that kind of person and as I was thinking of selling the car anyway I though it would best be handled to take the cut, let the dealership fix what's required (I was told they could do it for $30,000 with a "group discount" - The Nissan and Ford dealer operate as one company - AHG Group) and be done with it. I became suspicious when I saw the car advertised almost a week after I traded it. What caught my attention was the statement "launch control never used" in the advertisement. I had spent 10 minutes telling the Ford manager how I had used the launch control, how it felt to use it, how fast the car accelerated with the launch control, and which buttons to push to activate the launch control. Both the GTR Service manager and engineer were also aware I had used the launch control because they asked me when I presented the car with the fault and I told them I had, but the problem did not occur during a launch control. To any potential GTR owner, the statement "launch control never used" suggests that the transmission has not been abused. In any case, this statement was deceptive because it was knowingly false and unfounded. The report from Nissan that the trade in was subject to (which I obtained after I started my inquiries) made no mention of the transmission fault. The report was provided less than 24 hours after the trade in... I have four documents from the Nissan dealer stating the the transmission requires a "full rebuild" and Ford dealer has one document from the same Nissan dealer effectively stating "The car is perfectly fine". Does that sound right? When I confronted the general manager of the Ford dealership with respect to the advertisement and their conduct his response was initially... "What do you care anyway what we did with the car?" So... 1. Either my car didn't need a full rebuild and this was falsely represented to me, given the Nissan dealer provided a document to the Ford dealer stating there was nothing wrong with the car (After I took a huge hit on the trade in), or 2. It did require a full rebuild and the Ford dealer falsely represented to the general public that there was nothing wrong with the car by stating "the launch control was never used" and that the car had passed a 100 point mechanical and safety inspection... knowing very well that no inspection short of stripping the transmission would detect the fault. Put yourself in a buyer's position... would you feel ripped off? Even worse, the person who now has the car might not know any of this and may be up for a lot of money... 18K, 47K... whatever... it's not their problem to fix. People work hard for that kind of money.

With all due respect guys, I'm not going to play all my cards here. I'm just interested in finding where the car ended up and speaking with the owner. I had conversations with the Ford Dealership general manager and he only defended the allegations I put to him. They gave no indication the car was repaired. I also emailed the Nissan dealership that provided the report a day after the trade in. Ford dealer claimed in an email the report is all the paperwork provided by Nissan regarding the car. The report did not mention the transmission fault (I have the report). I have documents from the same Nissan dealer stating the transmission needs a rebuild (as the person trading in), and Ford have a document that says it's all good (as the seller)... You work it out... People screwed = me and the next buyer = consumers.

I have a law degree. They don't need to sue them as I will involve Consumer Affairs and make a complain fro misleading and deceptive conduct. They knew of the fault but took measures to cover it up. Under consumer protection law you only have to show that a consumer or "potential consumer" "could have" been misled or deceived. An actual deception does not need to take place, so the advert alone is enough evidence and in this case I believe an actual deception may have occurred if the car has been sold. With regard to price I only speaking from what I have been quoted by Nissan. Below is an email from a Nissan service manager confirming the $47,000.00 rebuild. This was only about a weeks ago. I believe Nissan had their part to play in this. Both dealers operate under one dealership - AHG. Nissan should have mentioned the transmission issue in the official report on the car rather than assisting to cover it up. I would have expected better judgement from Nissan. These cars get as much bad publicity as good because of the lack of support from Nissan when things go wrong... "we can't repair any fault with the transmission, we can only replace them". So you're basically up for about $47,000 whether its a very minor problem or a complete transmission destruction if you want OEM work done. My questions Good morning Carl, with regard to the trade with Seaview Ford of the Nissan GTR, registration 1DWG-416 and subsequent mechanical inspection by Northside Nissan at the request of Seaview Ford: 1. Did Northside Nissan represent to Seaview Ford that the launch control on the vehicle was "never used"? 2. Do Northside Nissan maintain that the transmission required a full rebuild, as stated by Northside Nissan on four separate documents to myself? 3. What is the cost of a full transmission rebuild to a consumer (not AHG group member)? I was previously informed by Northside Nissan it would be somewhere in the ball-park of $47,000.00. Is this correct? 4. would a standard 100 point mechanical inspection by a third party have identified the broken shift fork in the GTR transmission? Kind Regards, Oliver. Response Hi Oliver, Seaview Ford had us carry out a data download which did not indicate anything abnormal on the vehicle and there was no discussion regarding the launch control. We do still recommend a transmission rebuild as per your invoice # 267364. The previously supplied estimate for a transmission overhaul has not changed. As usual any estimate is subject to a full strip and inspection to identify items required. A standard 100 point inspection would not identify a broken selector unless there were a problem with the gear change on a road test & any concerns identified on a road test would not be able to conclude a broken selector without further investigation. I hope this answers any concerns you have. Regards Carl,

No sorry I can't see it. Even so, the dealer should have fixed it not the next person that buys it. The problem is that a chunk of metal the size of your thumb broke off inside the transmission and made the most horrible noise until the transmission locked the effected gears out... so who knows what other damage it caused. The real issue is the deceptive cover up. Expressly making it sound like nothing is wrong when there is $47,000 worth wrong.

Cheers mate. I love the GTR and anyone who has the opportunity to own one should enjoy the experience, not pay $100,000+ worth of frustrations. It's one thing for a buyer to take reasonable measures to inspect the car, but it's another when doing that would not identify the problem and the seller has lied to cover up the problem. Even falsified inspection documents from a seemingly reputable source (Nissan High performance Dealership) by omitting relevant information.

I'm hoping someone can help me locate a black 2009 GTR I recently traded in. The GTR has a broken shift fork (I still have the broken piece) and it was recommended by Nissan that the transmission requires a full rebuild at the quoted cost of $47,000. I traded the car in to a Ford dealership (AHG member) in Western Australia with full disclosure of the transmission problem for a suitable price given the written recommendation from Nissan that the transmission requires a full rebuild on four separate documents. The car seemed to drive well but it was deemed a time bomb by Nissan. They could not tell me which shift fork was broken as the forks are too deep in the transmission and the only way to find out would be to strip the transmission...$$$$$... It would cost thousands just to identify the problem given a transmission oil change alone costs around $1500. After the trade in, the Ford dealer obtained a mechanical inspection from Nissan (another AHG member) that indicated there was nothing mechanically wrong with the car without carrying out any repairs. The transmission problem was not mentioned anywhere on the mechanical inspection that indicated everything is normal. To complete the deception the Ford dealer advertised the car on Carsales and other sites with the words, "Launch control never used." This is after I spend 10 minutes explaining to the Ford manager how the launch control felt after he asked me if I had used it. I had also disclosed to the Nissan Service Manager and GTR engineer that I had used the launch control after they expressly asked me when I presented the car with the transmission problem (2nd, 4th and 6th gears were locked out). The ad also stated, "100 point mechanical and safety inspection provided." The problem could only be identified by stripping the transmission so this was also included to make a buyer believe the car was in perfect condition, given a standard 100 point mechanical inspection could not possibly identify the problem. The car was advertised a a price that would cost just over $100,000 drive away. I have only been able to obtain information that the car may have been sold in NSW, so a registration change may have taken place. The VIN is: JN1GANR35A0400160. If you know someone who has this car please ask them to contact me and I will forward the correct history documentation for the car. I am in the process of commencing legal action against the Nissan and Ford dealer involved. Their conduct infuriates me and it makes me sick to think they profited big time at the expense of some poor person who has probably spent over $100,000 for their dream car to find it's a lemon. When I approached the dealers about their conduct they were arrogant and claimed they had done nothing wrong...