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3 Feb 2006, 07:19 PM
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![]() Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,089 Joined: 12th February, 2005 From: Logan Qld Car(s): Its just a car Real Name: Terry Trader Rating : 19 |
I did a search and came back with 100+ results soooo...
I know there are three different types of plugs Copper Platinum Iridium I have heard of gaps from 0.8 to 1.1 Platinum and Iridium last longer but how much under normal driving? I met a fellow member and he uses coppers every 10k. Mine are Iridiums and they've lasted 100k. I have learnt that the gap depends on the boost you are running, for stock the gap is 1.1mm if you are running 12psi or above 0.8 is recomended, as for plugs there is no perfomance gain to be gained from any but the life of the plug is greatly increased with platinum (80,000ks) and better still with iridium (100,000-160,000ks) compared to coppers which are recomended to change at 5,000ks although some say they last to 10,000 upto 40,000, if you can change them yourself go the coppers recomended below, I am using iridiums and they have been in there for 100,000k now and still good, I know because I keep pulling them out when something else stuffs up. Price wise they arent worth it really, I have been told that they are good in motors where changing the plugs are an absolute pain. Generally speaking if a plug has a higher number than another it runs a colder heat range. eg. BCPR6ES ..... BCPR7ES colder plugs are good for preignition troubles. Boost effects spark gap at 12 psi and above, the gap narrows down to 0.8. FOR COPPER They are good to 5k last at least 10k up to 40k NGK for RB25det................. BKR6EYA or Platimum PFR5G-11 NGK for rb20/26det............. BCPR6ES or Platimum PFR6A-11 NGK for RB25NEOdet............ BCPR6ES or Platimum PFR6A-11 For PLATINUM Good to 80k NGK for RB25det................. PFR5G-11 NGK for rb20/26det............. PFR6A-11 NGK for RB25NEOdet............ PFR6A-11 NGKs Website For IRIDIUM Good to 150k NKG for RB25det................ BKR5EIX-11 NKG for RB25neo............... BKR6EIX-11 NKG for RB20/26det........... BCPR6EIX-11 Denso for Rb25det............. IK20 Denso for Rb25det.. cold.... IK22 And go Here for a good SAU price on the Iridium plugs. If you change your plugs and still have misfire isssues especially around the 3,000 - 5,000 rpm range it could be your coil packs are stuffed, its fairly common considering mine was 10 yrs old when mine started arcing out. Splitfire coilpacks are the best replacement and you can get a great deal from Dan (if he gives me a link) -------------------- Not Fast not slow just nicely riced.
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3 Feb 2006, 07:58 PM
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![]() RB25DET,unleash fury! #150 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,889 Joined: 23rd February, 2005 From: Melbourne, SE Car(s): Rb25coupe Real Name: Nathan Trader Rating : 2 |
NGK BKR6E -8
I think thats if off the top of my head, but they come gappd at .8 which is what i use. they are around $2 each and i change them when i change the oil every 5k -------------------- Cut and Polish, show room finish $150, $200black cars
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4 Feb 2006, 09:32 AM
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![]() V35 coupe ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4,640 Joined: 19th February, 2003 From: Brisbane, Queensland Car(s): V35 350GT premium Real Name: Warren Trader Rating : 18 |
NGK coppers for rb20 (and i think rb25) are:
BCPR6ES they are gapped at 0.8mm from the factory cheers -------------------- NEW: V35 specific section of the forums: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...p?showforum=170 |
4 Feb 2006, 10:16 AM
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![]() GT3037 @ 314rwkw ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,169 Joined: 10th October, 2003 Car(s): 96' Skyline Real Name: Jono Trader Rating : 1 |
ok...I just did the biggest lot of finding this week...
Normal plugs for a Skyline RB25det - You want the BKR6EYA's. If you want to go a colder heat range, and stay in Copper, and NGK, get the BKR7E's. As for Denso, IK20's for Iridium (Same as NGK "6" heat range) or the IK22's for Iridium Denso plugs (same as NGk's "7" heat range) Denso copper - K20R-U - (same as NGK's "6" heat range) Denso copper - K22PR-U (same as NGK's "7" heat range) Use this tool, its the best I have ever seen. http://www.denso.com.au/sparkplug/xref Good luck finding any of the denso's you are after though. here's a few tips also - 1. If the plug has a "-11" on the end, its gapped to 1.1 mm. If it has nothing on the end like this, its 0.8mm - 0.9mm gap. 2. Some have longer necks than others so be careful. 3. If you're running high boost and are running into pre-ignition problems, try "7" heat range (colder plugs) or 22 heat range in denso. -------------------- ![]() 314rwkw, 720nm@3200rpm yet to be run. 12.4sec @ 114mph, 1.9s 60foot on 270rwkw. My own tune. |
4 Feb 2006, 06:09 PM
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![]() Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,089 Joined: 12th February, 2005 From: Logan Qld Car(s): Its just a car Real Name: Terry Trader Rating : 19 |
Thanks for your replies
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4 Feb 2006, 06:14 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 114 Joined: 20th December, 2005 From: Ontario, Canada Car(s): 1992 R32 Skyine GTS Trader Rating : 0 |
+1 for some really great info.
Well done guys I'm sure this will help out a lot of people. Cheers B) -------------------- Do You Drift????? Prove it!
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5 Feb 2006, 04:27 PM
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![]() Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,089 Joined: 12th February, 2005 From: Logan Qld Car(s): Its just a car Real Name: Terry Trader Rating : 19 |
Updated iridium section
I'm hoping that when I get a complete listing that I can this stickyed in the app section. Posted by WRXHOON in another thread QUOTE platinum and iridum plugs are better cause the tip is only .6 mm and u get much better spark . the reson the nickel plugs tip is thicker is cause if they made it that thin it would only last a few k's platinum and especialy iridium are much harder so last a lot longer . typical life , nickel 30k k's , platinum 100 , iridium 150. probably less in a turbo gtr driving it hard less still but still 5 times longer than nickel . And this by MegaGTS4 Here QUOTE Bosch recommends when installing spark plugs to use a torque wrench and the correct torque in ft.-lbs. As listed below: 10mm With Gasket - 8-11 FT.-LBS 12mm With Gasket - 12-15 FT.-LBS 14mm With Gasket - 19-22 FT.-LBS 14mm Tapered Seat - 12-15 FT.-LBS 18mm With Gasket - 20-23 FT.-LBS 18mm Tapered Seat - 14-17 FT.-LBS If a torque wrench is not available, hand tighten the plug until it is seated in the cylinder head. Spark plugs with gaskets should be tightened an additional 90°. Spark plugs with tapered seats should be tightened an additional 15°. This PDF file shows how to read the faces of used standard electrode plugs: here MEGA -------------------- Not Fast not slow just nicely riced.
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5 Feb 2006, 08:25 PM
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![]() GT3037 @ 314rwkw ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,169 Joined: 10th October, 2003 Car(s): 96' Skyline Real Name: Jono Trader Rating : 1 |
what happens if you put the plugs in too tight?
I didn't really know how tight to put them in so I tightened them up pretty tight. Don't want them working loose? -------------------- ![]() 314rwkw, 720nm@3200rpm yet to be run. 12.4sec @ 114mph, 1.9s 60foot on 270rwkw. My own tune. |
5 Feb 2006, 08:40 PM
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![]() 25/30 35/40 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4,057 Joined: 1st February, 2004 From: Queensland Car(s): 1993 R33 GTS30t, Laser Real Name: Warwick Trader Rating : 16 |
QUOTE(The Mafia @ 5 Feb 2006, 08:25 PM) what happens if you put the plugs in too tight? I didn't really know how tight to put them in so I tightened them up pretty tight. Don't want them working loose? Worst case scenario would be that you could strip the thread which would mean removing the head and then using a helicoil I guess -------------------- ![]() Signature Performance & Mechanical - 0403215300 Remember - Moving parts and Body parts don't mix! |
6 Feb 2006, 09:13 AM
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![]() Shake n Bake! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,570 Joined: 4th August, 2003 From: Tarmakistan Car(s): Datsuns Real Name: Tim Trader Rating : 4 |
anyone else run NGK B6ES?
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6 Feb 2006, 09:29 AM
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![]() RB31DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 11,111 Joined: 31st January, 2003 From: Sydney Car(s): R32GTST R33GTST Stagea Trader Rating : 49 |
I run NGK BCPR6ES in RB25's gaped at 0.8 mm.
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6 Feb 2006, 10:44 AM
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![]() compulsive tinkerer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,786 Joined: 6th April, 2003 From: Sydney Car(s): bent r32, hello kitty s13 Real Name: badhair Trader Rating : 17 |
I'm running the same as SK but in a 7, so BCPR7ES, gapped at .8, also rb25.
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6 Feb 2006, 11:16 AM
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Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,036 Joined: 11th October, 2004 From: Melbourne Trader Rating : 4 |
Im running iridium BKR7EIX gapped at 0.8mm
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6 Feb 2006, 11:19 AM
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![]() Rank: RB30E ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,170 Joined: 3rd November, 2004 Car(s): R33 GTST ab flug. Real Name: Get back in your hole Trader Rating : 3 |
cant remember but they are iridum NKG and cost me about $120 for the set
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6 Feb 2006, 07:13 PM
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![]() Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,089 Joined: 12th February, 2005 From: Logan Qld Car(s): Its just a car Real Name: Terry Trader Rating : 19 |
If you tighten the plug tooo much they can be a real @#$%^& to get out.
The more feedback the better, just to confirm I am on the right track. -------------------- Not Fast not slow just nicely riced.
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