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  20 Jan 2010, 10:17 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/national/southern-c...r-1225821778838
QUOTE WARWICK Thornton says he's deeply concerned that the Southern Cross is becoming a symbol of racism for some Australians. The filmmaker, who has been chosen as the Northern Territory's nomination for Australian of the Year, wants people to spend Australia Day reflecting on the symbolic significance of the national icon. "Aboriginal people have used the Southern Cross for the last 40,000 years as a beacon guiding them to travel through country for survival, and I'm starting to see that star system symbol being used as a very racist nationalistic emblem - and that is seriously worrying me,'' Thornton said "We don't want to turn the Southern Cross into a swastika - that's bloody important. "We should think about that on Australia Day and the bigger issue of what it represents, why is it happening.'' A contender for 2010 Australian of the Year, Thornton said the accolade should be given to someone who saves lives, and not someone who "just asks questions''. "I've got Buckley's chance of winning it,'' he said. "I'm just really happy to win the Territory side of it and go to Canberra and have a beer with the PM - that'll be pretty cool.'' Winning numerous Australian and international awards for his debut feature film, Samson and Delilah, Thornton said the film showed there was a darker side to central Australia. "A lot of people around the world tell me they have been to Alice Springs and have seen the incredible landscape, but never knew about the sort of slight tragedy in that landscape, so (the film) really did open up a lot of eyes and minds and thoughts.'' Thornton is currently working on a three-hour ABC documentary series about contemporary Aboriginal art and writing a draft for a new feature film. do you think it's a worrying trend that the southern cross is being used to promote a white australia and white supremacist views or is it just an over exaggerated minority? what about the link to "australian" cars? -------------------- |
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20 Jan 2010, 10:17 PM
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20 Jan 2010, 10:20 PM
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It seems to be associated with certain bogan types who put 'f**k off We're full' stickers on their utes.
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21 Jan 2010, 12:04 AM
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yep, its overuse by the wrong people is the main problem, that said, how often do you see the Aboriginal emblem used to vandalise things (in my case a lot lol)
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21 Jan 2010, 12:17 AM
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mmmmmm the Austicka
 I personally am sick of the sight of it. And it's simply because of the kind of people who have it on their cars, clothes, etc or as tattoos. Any time I see it now, I just think "racist bogan wanker" and wish them a painful death. When I see the Austicka these days I see it as a horrible mix between a lack of culture and education, and the new version of patriotism (read: racism). -------------------- Holocaust jokes aren't funny, Anne Frankly, I won't stand for it.
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21 Jan 2010, 01:12 AM
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ironically loving their holdens yet owned by GM, a foreign company. just shows how narrow minded such people are, we live in a global economy, if it wasn't for other countries and immigrants, we wouldn't be here today.
while i'm not about to say open boarders, a controlled level of immigration is vital. -------------------- |
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21 Jan 2010, 02:03 AM
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 filthy slurrie Posts: 4,923 Joined: 17th September, 2004 From: Perth Car(s): WhiteCefiroBlackSoarer Real Name: Rowan McMahon Trader Rating : 0 |
the southern cross is fake and gay.
EDIT: but seriously folks southern cross tattoos are wrank. and extremely ironic. considering a vast majority of these tattoos get made in bali. -------------------- QUOTE (itsme @ 28 Jul 2010, 03:55 PM) ^ what he said Rowans a veteran in the game and his advice sounds good and makes perfect sense =) ^^^lolwut? |
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21 Jan 2010, 02:40 AM
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Don't forget also the Southern Cross has a very long history among the first white settlers.
It goes back to the times of the Eureka Stockade in 1854 for those such folk who were unaware. Also features on many Union Emblems EG:  So it's not just about racism as such, its about a group/belonging/mateship and so on for many people that are tradies involved and are proud to be there. I'm surprised no-one has even mentioned anything about it thus far to be honest. That is a thing of today, people don't respect a countries history, or even read about it. Prime example: QUOTE (Isola @ 21 Jan 2010, 01:17 AM) When I see the Austicka these days I see it as a horrible mix between a lack of culture and education, and the new version of patriotism (read: racism). If anything it's showing pride in Australia, being for what Australia is. To not even mention Eureka in your sentence suggests to me you don't even know about the country you live in. Time to go and read: http://www.eurekaballarat.com/eureka.aspx -------------------- SAU-Vic President - 2008, 2009, 2010
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21 Jan 2010, 03:38 AM
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I always used to associate it with the Eureka Stockade..
sadly I now associate it more with tattoos, car stickers, bogans, ignorance and racism  -------------------- Secretary - Skylines Australia NSW ~ SAU NSW membership form
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21 Jan 2010, 03:51 AM
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Anytime I see it I think the following things.
Bogan Uneducated Not necessarily racist, I don't know anything about that. I think that might be only a very recent trend. --------------------  |
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21 Jan 2010, 07:49 AM
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I got the southern cross tatt...
I didnt get it because i am a racist or uneducated as alot of you have said. I got it because its on the flag for the country that I love, the cross reminds me of home, reminds me of my time in the Army Reserves, reminds me about the men and women who have given their lives in service to this nation. People do rally under the Cross and you can put forward an argument that it is a racist symbol etc, but then you can put forward an argument that all P plate drivers are hoons, all commadores and shit cars, etc -------------------- |
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21 Jan 2010, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE (Shell @ 21 Jan 2010, 04:38 AM) I always used to associate it with the Eureka Stockade.. sadly I now associate it more with tattoos, car stickers, bogans, ignorance and racism x2 -------------------- Enter the wagon.......
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21 Jan 2010, 08:27 AM
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Sadly FIGJAM, you're a minority. You have every right to have that tattoo and wear it with pride, as you have a true reason for it. The stereotypical view (and sadly it holds true to the majority) of people who have a southern cross tattoo is that they have no fking idea what it symbolises, other than being cool because everyone else has it. Hell, most of them probably got hard over the idea of getting a tattoo coz all the ladies would dig it. They had no imagination, so they went with something that all the cool kids had: southern cross. Now when others see it, they can lie through their teeth and make out how much they love their country etc etc, when in actuality, they don't know shit about the true meaning of the cross.
Every time I get mouthed off to by some roid munching f**kwit with a terrible haircut, I can almost guarantee to spot this tattoo on either his neck or upper arm. It makes me sad when I see it just as I expected. If I saw you IRL, you're guilty until proven innocent in my books, and it's really unfortunate that I feel that way....but like you said - all P platers DO get branded as hoons, and with (unfortunate) good reason. You made one very valid point at the end though, and I commend you on that. QUOTE ...all commadores and (are) shit cars... -------------------- '93 R33 GTS-T, massive FMIC, JJR coils, Trust Airinx pod, 3.5" Turbo-back to 4" cannon, 11psi......190.8rwkw
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21 Jan 2010, 09:02 AM
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i think that using the southern cross as a sign of patriotism and also the extent that people have started carrying the flag around on australia day is totally unaustralian.
australia is a country where we aren't supposed to give a shit about anything or anyone and sit back and laugh at the unfortunate tourists who went out into the bush and didn't take a big enough stick and come running back out, screaming and being chased by some form of wild animal or sheep. being patriotic is unaustralian as being patriotic takes too much energy and also makes us too much like america. we know we live in the greatest country in the world and we don't need to shout about it as that only attracts attention and more people will want to come here and which means we will have to do more work when organising a bbq. being racist is also unaustralian as we shouldn't be fighting people from other lands but taking them to the pub and getting them drunk. so i saw to those of you planning on flying the flag on australia day, don't be so unaustralian and leave the flag at home, unless you need it to signal in a crowd where the bbq is or where the beers are, and enjoy the day socialising with your fellow man. -------------------- Alright Stop!!1!ty... Hammer Time  QUOTE (bozodos @ 10 Feb 2010, 10:44 AM) marc's right |
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21 Jan 2010, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE (mad082 @ 21 Jan 2010, 10:02 AM) being patriotic is unaustralian as being patriotic takes too much energy and also makes us too much like america. we know we live in the greatest country in the world and we don't need to shout about it as that only attracts attention and more people will want to come here and which means we will have to do more work when organising a bbq. so i saw to those of you planning on flying the flag on australia day, don't be so unaustralian and leave the flag at home, unless you need it to signal in a crowd where the bbq is or where the beers are, and enjoy the day socialising with your fellow man. Ever been to a RSL function with war veterans? I worked 4 functions a year for many years with a lot of them (i was mid teens @ the time) They are mighty patriotic. They wear their badges with pride and respect for this country. They are proud of the flag, proud of each other. It's with this pride and patriotism that they fought for to keep Australia out of harms way. I know a couple of old Vet's that actually used to fly the flag in their front yard, was there everyday of the year. Sadly those couple of people have now passed (in the 90s now) I think it's very much Australian to fly the flag, especially on our National Day. To say it isn't is (IMO) not very respectful to those who fought for it. I think the issue however is the generation (nfi what letter) of people from 15-24 have little clue or respect and have not had enough histroy education @ school. They do not respect where we came from, how we came to be, how we survived and what sacrifices have been made. It's very sad really... -------------------- SAU-Vic President - 2008, 2009, 2010
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21 Jan 2010, 09:51 AM
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I'm fine with the southern cross and people getting it tattooed or as stickers on their cars, it just means that they're proud to be aussie... its patriotic, and I sure as hell am proud of my country (even though I was born in london and am malaysian/sri lankan by heritage).
well technically... people with it on them or their cars are proud to be under the southern cross, which could be any country in the southern hemisphere of the world, including africa and south america, but whatevs, I'm sure the symbolism is significant only to Aussies... and Kiwis... and Brazil... and PNG... and Samoa who all have it on their flags. What I do have an issue with is when patriotism turns into nationalism. -------------------- < [email=shan+sau@moorthy.com.au]shan[/email] :: forum administrator :: team super fun happy sliders > |
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21 Jan 2010, 09:56 AM
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It's isn't Australian to walk around with the flag on Aussie day, because again the majority of those who are doing it, do it because they think it's cool and it makes them stand out (like all the other wankers just like them). Again, this give all of those who fly the flag out of respect to their country a bad name.
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21 Jan 2010, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (bozodos @ 20 Jan 2010, 10:04 PM) Aboriginal emblem You mean the made up flag thing? |
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21 Jan 2010, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Trozzle @ 21 Jan 2010, 10:56 AM) It's isn't Australian to walk around with the flag on Aussie day, because again the majority of those who are doing it, do it because they think it's cool and it makes them stand out (like all the other wankers just like them). Again, this give all of those who fly the flag out of respect to their country a bad name. Excuse my assumption here – but I’m going to assume you are a younger age group - 19-23 – the age most of the “posers” (as I call em) are at the moment. Not saying you are of course, its just that age group at present is hopeless Simply because if you watch any footage from 1980’s/1990’s on Australia Days, you’ll see many many people walking around with flags draped across their back @ big public events and so on. Kids, teenagers, adults. Same as what happens today. It was not a sign of racism, to stand out, to be a hero. It was because they were proud to call Australia home. Yes there are probably some people who do it for the attention – but I strongly object to it being the majority. Or did you mean the majority of your age group??? Go to a cricket match, tennis, whatever. You’ll see the same thing from people of ALL countries. They are proud to do so no matter what age. If carrying around the national flag around on your countries national day -------------------- SAU-Vic President - 2008, 2009, 2010
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21 Jan 2010, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (R31Nismoid @ 21 Jan 2010, 09:34 AM) Ever been to a RSL function with war veterans? I worked 4 functions a year for many years with a lot of them (i was mid teens @ the time) They are mighty patriotic. They wear their badges with pride and respect for this country. They are proud of the flag, proud of each other. It's with this pride and patriotism that they fought for to keep Australia out of harms way. I know a couple of old Vet's that actually used to fly the flag in their front yard, was there everyday of the year. Sadly those couple of people have now passed (in the 90s now) I think it's very much Australian to fly the flag, especially on our National Day. To say it isn't is (IMO) not very respectful to those who fought for it. I think the issue however is the generation (nfi what letter) of people from 15-24 have little clue or respect and have not had enough histroy education @ school. They do not respect where we came from, how we came to be, how we survived and what sacrifices have been made. It's very sad really... yes they are generally very patriotic, but you will also find a lot of them to be very racist as well (not so much the very old diggers but the vietnam vets, etc). while i am thankful for what they have done for the country, if you have a talk to some of them outside of some of those functions you will find out just how racist they can be. and while their racism is stemmed from the war, they don't look at it both ways. i once had an old veteran come in wanting to buy something and he refused to by anything made in asia, and i won't repeat the names he used when he was expressing his disgust at those people. QUOTE (funkymonkey @ 21 Jan 2010, 09:51 AM) I'm fine with the southern cross and people getting it tattooed or as stickers on their cars, it just means that they're proud to be aussie... its patriotic, and I sure as hell am proud of my country (even though I was born in london and am malaysian/sri lankan by heritage). well technically... people with it on them or their cars are proud to be under the southern cross, which could be any country in the southern hemisphere of the world, including africa and south america, but whatevs, I'm sure the symbolism is significant only to Aussies... and Kiwis... and Brazil... and PNG... and Samoa who all have it on their flags. What I do have an issue with is when patriotism turns into nationalism. yes the point about nationalism i think is more what i meant in my post than patriotism. -------------------- Alright Stop!!1!ty... Hammer Time QUOTE (bozodos @ 10 Feb 2010, 10:44 AM) marc's right |
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21 Jan 2010, 10:20 AM
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I think the flag wearing southern cross tattoo sporting intoxicated groups of bogans or regular people getting their bogan on is just a reflection of the increasing groups of other nationalities doing the same shit, just look at the tennis. That sort of thing was going on long before herds of bogans roamed the land. But saying such is pretty much being Hitler.
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