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7 May 2003, 10:36 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 567 Joined: 14th March, 2003 Car(s): R33, RB30/25DET Trader Rating : 0 |
fyi guys,
Well yesturday i picked up a RB30 for my conversion into my R33. I will be using my RB25DET head on the RB30 block. So i started stripping the motor down, pulled the crank, pistons, girdle, oil pump, welch plugs & everything off the block. Now the RB30 block is going to be Acid dipped/cleaned and machined out a further .10 ontop of the .15 that it allready has. (total of .25) Looking around on these forums i noticed a couple of threads of people spending $800 - $1200 on RODs! I pulled a piston out yesturday of the RB30, removed the gudgen pin and looked at the rod... I then walked over to my old mans 900HP, 7 liter, 454 Big block chev (Also in peices on the floor) & compared rod sizes. Width of the Rods, SAME!.... Side wall strenth & Height SAME!!. Only noticable diffrence is that his are slightly longer. (witch in fact would make them weaker than mine because my rods would have a higer pressure tolerance) I will leave the rest for you too decide when its time for you to do a rebuild. Anyways i am now at a stage were i am looking for pistons, i am not intrested to here anything about forged pistons. Alot of people arent aware of the cons about forged pistons, such as the amount of slop that a forge piston has (Clerance properties between the bore and the piston, & heating + cooling tolerances).If you guys all wanted to run 9 sec passes and were looking for no more than 100K then i would suggest running forgies. not for mild street cars. Now, has anyone tryed using Thermo-pudic pistons (not sure on spelling)? i havent done too much reasearch into these pistons, but heard that it a very strong alternavtive to running forged pistons. And are still capable of running very high HP (600+). Some of the advantages of these pistons so far are that there heating & cooling properties closly match the stock pistons, and they are a very snug fit in the bore (prevents slapping up the bore on cold starts, unlike forgies that have to become warm then expand to provide the snug fit) This inturn reduces engine (cylinder) wear and will provide me with the drivability & performance that i am after. Has anyone used these pistons or know of someone that is using them that has problems? Basicly i am after so critism on the pistons, if there is any? Thanks. Edit : new host of the RB30 DOHC guide hosted by Titan RB30 DOHC Guide. (Click me)
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JNR24 R33 Rb30 Conversion 7 May 2003, 10:36 AM
JNR24 QUOTEOriginally posted by -Joel-
The bore size of... 9 May 2003, 04:43 PM
-Joel- So that means that the RB20DET ECU will obviously ... 9 May 2003, 04:48 PM
JNR24 Also guys, this is probly a good idear when you ha... 9 May 2003, 04:55 PM
matlowth Another point, is that a lot of the Merc's that ha... 9 May 2003, 05:15 PM
matlowth I think you're referring the hypereutectic (high s... 9 May 2003, 05:21 PM
matlowth Nope bore on the 25/26/30 are the same... It's the... 9 May 2003, 05:24 PM
Fast31 matlowth
what turbo setup are you running 9 May 2003, 07:36 PM
lowlux this is great this is one of the best rb30/25 conv... 9 May 2003, 07:49 PM
lowlux also i suggest ppl that u send your rods to get sh... 9 May 2003, 07:53 PM
-Joel- So what actually is shot peening and nitred? 9 May 2003, 09:31 PM
lowlux shot peening i think is when they make the rod smo... 9 May 2003, 10:28 PM
Steve Nitriding is treating the metal to harden it (I th... 9 May 2003, 10:57 PM
Skyrine-Dave yeh i have also read good things about cryo freezi... 9 May 2003, 11:13 PM
-Joel- I remembered one crucial detail about the conversi... 10 May 2003, 12:45 AM
matlowth It's formally a Trust TD07S, but has been modified... 10 May 2003, 12:49 AM
matlowth lowlux... Rod preperation work is bloody expensive... 10 May 2003, 12:56 AM
matlowth Yep that's right... That's only if you want to wor... 10 May 2003, 01:03 AM
-Joel- QUOTEOriginally posted by matlowth
Nope bore on t... 10 May 2003, 01:20 AM
Steve I read somewhere that factory RB26 pistons are for... 10 May 2003, 10:45 AM
-Joel- It wouldn't be hard to adapt the RB20/25/26 oil sq... 10 May 2003, 11:57 AM
lowlux Matlowth i work at crow cams and one of the grinde... 10 May 2003, 05:30 PM
-Joel- Really depends how much power you are chasing.
I'... 10 May 2003, 06:18 PM
matlowth Yep - but as mentioned by sydney kid, they'll give... 10 May 2003, 06:58 PM
matlowth Ahh mates rates, thats different again... For Joe... 10 May 2003, 07:03 PM
lowlux hey matt can u tell me whether u have to elongate ... 10 May 2003, 09:01 PM
-Joel- No you don't have to change anything lowlux. 10 May 2003, 11:33 PM
-Joel- I've been having a bit of a look around on vct vs ... 11 May 2003, 11:49 AM
lowlux nice one thanks joel,oh and another thing would th... 11 May 2003, 01:52 PM
-Joel- The RB20DET gearbox won't handle the torque.
I ha... 11 May 2003, 02:56 PM
matlowth Re: the oil galleries, we used an RB26 head gasket... 11 May 2003, 03:48 PM
matlowth If you want to know what mid-range torque and powe... 11 May 2003, 03:55 PM
matlowth BTW - I've been offered a set of carillos' quite c... 11 May 2003, 03:58 PM
Sydneykid Hi Joel, sorry I missed you question on the cambel... 11 May 2003, 10:26 PM
JNR24 Ok there still seems to be some confusion as to wh... 12 May 2003, 09:28 AM
lowlux Well skyrine_dave i could never put in a rb26 for ... 12 May 2003, 10:07 PM
sik32 can anyone give me a power rating for rb30 NA bott... 12 May 2003, 10:21 PM
Skyrine-Dave very good case lowlux
i hope there si going to b... 12 May 2003, 10:26 PM
Steve QUOTEOriginally posted by lowlux
Well skyrine_dav... 12 May 2003, 11:06 PM
matlowth I think you misunderstood me there
What i meant,... 12 May 2003, 11:46 PM
-Joel- QUOTEIf you only want 300rwkw
scofs.... only 300r... 13 May 2003, 12:13 AM
JNR24 QUOTEOriginally posted by Skyrine-Dave
not after ... 13 May 2003, 08:27 AM
JNR24 QUOTEOriginally posted by matlowth
I think you mi... 13 May 2003, 12:42 PM
-Joel- JNR24... You will find 300rwkw is around 390kw at ... 13 May 2003, 02:29 PM
matlowth JNR24, yes indeed - 300rwkw is a heck of a lot of ... 13 May 2003, 06:34 PM
-Joel- Here is all I have at the moment: 13 May 2003, 07:14 PM
-Joel- JNR24.. When you mate the RB25DET VCT head with th... 13 May 2003, 10:04 PM
25t Hey Joel,
Have a Exact CAD drawing with mounting ... 14 May 2003, 06:51 PM
-Joel- You are obviously using the VCT head then? 15 May 2003, 10:08 PM
JNR24 Joel & others,
I am now starting to think that th... 16 May 2003, 08:44 AM
25t To solve the VCT oil feed problem I removed the Vc... 16 May 2003, 08:59 AM
JNR24 I guess what i was asking was the Benifits of keep... 16 May 2003, 09:03 AM
-Joel- It improves down low and mid range torque. 16 May 2003, 09:56 AM
JNR24 How to keep VCT in the RB30/25 Combo conversion??? 16 May 2003, 10:01 AM
-Joel- Yer that is what 25t is doing now.
As soon as he ... 16 May 2003, 10:09 AM
-Joel- I grabed a quick price from Nissan:
Big End Beari... 16 May 2003, 05:16 PM
Steve QUOTEI grabed a quick price from Nissan:
Big End ... 16 May 2003, 06:11 PM
lowlux ill get a price for you on Monday Joel,i got all t... 16 May 2003, 07:51 PM
-Joel- Lowlux.... Cheerz Big Ears That would be helpful.... 16 May 2003, 11:42 PM
sik32 well ive just puchased my rb30 block and rb25 head... 16 May 2003, 11:48 PM
-Joel- Thats not a bad ET for 212rwkw...
Gotta love the... 17 May 2003, 01:28 AM
25t HI all
Joel WROTE
There is an issue.. Apparently ... 18 May 2003, 06:55 AM
Steve Oil squirters help cool the pistons, even in a mil... 18 May 2003, 01:04 PM
-Joel- Well basically I image it is why the RB25's and RB... 18 May 2003, 02:40 PM
JNR24 QUOTEOriginally posted by 25t
HI all
Joel WROTE
... 19 May 2003, 09:00 AM
JNR24 Would be intresting if someone can post some more ... 19 May 2003, 09:03 AM
JNR24 how much 25t??? and where did you get them from? 19 May 2003, 09:38 AM
25t Hi
got mine out of rb25det, they are supposed to ... 19 May 2003, 09:55 AM
sLo-32 This may be a little off topic but anywho...
To do... 19 May 2003, 10:18 AM
25t HI
NA block is ok.
Joel / Steve have more info t... 19 May 2003, 10:22 AM
JNR24 Any block, however i believe you might have to tap... 19 May 2003, 10:23 AM
GiJOr33 I think the series 2 N/A blocks have all the lines... 19 May 2003, 02:15 PM
-Joel- I'm with Gijor333. 19 May 2003, 03:14 PM
JNR24 Yep me too!
getting into grounds were i havnt pla... 19 May 2003, 03:17 PM
sLo-32 Doh...
I've got a series 1 calais. Do u think i wo... 19 May 2003, 03:17 PM
-Joel- The crank & rods are all the same in the NA and tu... 19 May 2003, 03:24 PM
25t hi
the series 1 na blocks are stronger/thicker cas... 19 May 2003, 03:26 PM
Rowdyr32 A quick question, how much machine has to be done ... 20 May 2003, 11:08 PM
Sydneykid Hi Rowdyr32, RB20 head won't fit RB30 block, bore ... 20 May 2003, 11:15 PM
-Joel- The non VCT RB25 Head looks exactly the same as th... 20 May 2003, 11:17 PM
Zdenko if some one wanted a car to run mid 11's in there ... 20 May 2003, 11:19 PM
-Joel- A 3ltr really wouldn't make that much difference t... 20 May 2003, 11:25 PM
Zdenko then y is everyone wanting to go 3 L?? 20 May 2003, 11:27 PM
Sydneykid Hi Zdenko, you asked "then y is everyone wanting t... 20 May 2003, 11:41 PM
GiJOr33 i'm doing the conversion, but the problem i'm face... 21 May 2003, 11:41 PM
Zdenko arnt our gear boxs good for 400rkw?? 21 May 2003, 11:51 PM
GiJOr33 i heard 550hp at the engine is what they'll handle... 22 May 2003, 12:11 AM
MetBlue_GTST This is an awesome thread and i have been followin... 22 May 2003, 12:21 AM
rev210 same as the RB26 box internal wise. 22 May 2003, 12:28 AM
GiJOr33 what are they good for? reliably... no point sayin... 22 May 2003, 12:48 AM
25t Hey guys
how do you do the qoute thing?
I said a... 22 May 2003, 09:47 AM
-Joel- 25t just above the post reply button their is a qu... 22 May 2003, 12:17 PM
Skyrine-Dave i think what you mean is missing is the oi return ... 22 May 2003, 12:25 PM
25t hi all
no i mean that the head has oil return/dra... 22 May 2003, 01:48 PM
DennisRB30 Cool thread guys. What about the legalities of th... 22 May 2003, 05:55 PM
JNR24 same clearance as RB25,
RB30 Block bolts down to ... 23 May 2003, 08:46 AM
DennisRB30 I thought the RB30 was taller by a few CM?
Joel,... 23 May 2003, 03:39 PM
-Joel- The RB30 block is around 3cm's taller. You wouldn'... 23 May 2003, 04:13 PM
Sydneykid Hi guys, a couple of questions popped in since I l... 23 May 2003, 06:05 PM
matlowth You're right...
I was running 124mph which is go... 23 May 2003, 06:10 PM
matlowth Sydneykid - some food for thought - while the gear... 23 May 2003, 06:14 PM![]() ![]() |
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