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18 Dec 2008, 03:32 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 405 Joined: 12th August, 2007 From: Perth WA Car(s): S15 TS3071 290rwks Trader Rating : 1 |
Very interesting read. Also interesting to note those are almost the exact same measurements of my compressor (60mm inducer, 84mm exducer). I wonder if that test will change some minds? *Edit--I just noticed the GT35r they compared it too was a twin scroll housing. Are most of the GT30/35's out there twin scroll? To my knowledge none of the GT30/35's are twin scroll in their off the shelf format. ATP modifies the T3 TS GT32 ex housing to suit the 3071/76/GT35. Full-race also is putting together T4 TS footprint ex housings for the GT35. In the above test they are testing a T4 TS GT35 with a T4 TS BW - so its a valid comparison. Presumably both of these twin scroll turbo's will outspool and have better transient response than a generic single scroll GT35. |
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18 Dec 2008, 03:32 PM
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18 Dec 2008, 03:39 PM
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![]() Yankee ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 514 Joined: 17th May, 2007 From: US--no more japan :-( Car(s): '92 GTSt w/RB25 & HX40 Real Name: Chris Trader Rating : 1 |
I think it's actually the compressor and turbine design in general. The B-W's with out the extended as well as there cousins (holsets) all have the same characteristic of really outperforming thier garrett counterparts at higher boost levels. I guess it might have to do with originaly being designed to run on a diesel at over 2 bar. I think most of them are mapped to 3 bar. I'm thinking about getting meth injection and punching the boost up to around 2 bar. I'm at 1.7 now with under 20 counts of knock (again, stock bottom end).
**Cliff notes for anybody who didn't feel like clicking that link that juggernaut posted-- Borg-Warner S300 spooled exactly the same if not a little quicker than a twin scroll GT35r and made around 15 more hp starting from the midrange on up on back to back dyno runs on the same car (Evo). -------------------- |
18 Dec 2008, 07:55 PM
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![]() SAU VIC Member #83 ![]() Posts: 4,863 Joined: 21st August, 2002 From: Melbourne Car(s): Nissan Skyline R34 GT-T Real Name: Daniel Trader Rating : 2 |
reckon any of these would be comparable to an HKS GTRS?
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19 Dec 2008, 12:06 AM
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Rank: RB25DE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 244 Joined: 17th December, 2007 Car(s): r33 gtst s1 Real Name: Gezza Trader Rating : 1 |
that is a dinosar the one you want to go for is a hx35 aaaaahhhhhh, i thought it sounded fair big lol. thanks heaps for the info mate, dont worry i am definatley going a hx35 just hunting one down at the moment. thanks everyone for the help, btw american dollar going down meening these bad boys are getting cheaper for us wooohooo! im watching the news everyday, the AUSD gets 1cent stronger everyday lol. Gezza -------------------- |
19 Dec 2008, 01:43 AM
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Rank: RB30E ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,831 Joined: 21st March, 2004 Trader Rating : 4 |
Personally I think the BW's are the ones to watch , IMO along a bit more modern lines than HE/HX35 Holsets .
Actually it's just occured to me that if you people want to play with cheapish diesel turbos why not revert to the old chestnut T04/60-1 ? There is actually a range of compressors in that family so you don't have to use the 60 trim version if you don't want to . T4 turbine housings are common in single or twin entry and "T3" or T4 mounting flange sizes . It's even made with a large frame ball bearing option if you like . A . |
19 Dec 2008, 09:07 AM
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![]() Yankee ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 514 Joined: 17th May, 2007 From: US--no more japan :-( Car(s): '92 GTSt w/RB25 & HX40 Real Name: Chris Trader Rating : 1 |
Disco, you refer to them as "old", but they are out performing the "new" GT series in every way I can measure--or do you disagree on that point? Again, looking for good honest opinions. I like having a nice intelligent discussion about these things, so please don't think I'm being argumentative.
I do agree though that the B-W's come on a couple hundred RPM quicker and flow a lb or two more up top. They are a bit more modern design, but what is that performance difference when I can get a used Holset for $200USD compared to a B-W for $1200USD new? I'd go B-W all things being equal, but I'm not rich -------------------- |
19 Dec 2008, 11:49 PM
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![]() Yankee ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 514 Joined: 17th May, 2007 From: US--no more japan :-( Car(s): '92 GTSt w/RB25 & HX40 Real Name: Chris Trader Rating : 1 |
I just noticed somebody on here is running a B-W S300 making 600awhp running 10 sec 1/4's.
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/10...ra-t249485.html -------------------- |
8 Mar 2009, 03:46 PM
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Rank: RB20DE ![]() ![]() Posts: 22 Joined: 8th March, 2009 From: Okinawa Japan Car(s): 1992 Lancer RS Real Name: Doc Trader Rating : 0 |
Reviving this thread just to say:
Evo + HX52 = skyline in the rear view. |
8 Mar 2009, 04:41 PM
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Rank: RB25DET ![]() Posts: 1,238 Joined: 3rd June, 2004 From: Wellington, NZ Car(s): 1997 R33 GTS25t Real Name: Mr Lith Trader Rating : 0 |
Evo + HX52 = skyline in the rear view. You are clearly assuming/hoping that the Skyline isn't similarly equipped -------------------- '97 R33 GTS25t with Garrett GT3076R on board :)
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8 Mar 2009, 04:44 PM
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Rank: RB20DE ![]() ![]() Posts: 22 Joined: 8th March, 2009 From: Okinawa Japan Car(s): 1992 Lancer RS Real Name: Doc Trader Rating : 0 |
Power to weight ratio........ 4wd advantage for the non R types
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8 Mar 2009, 06:19 PM
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![]() DAVE-Teh-Mechanic ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 7,963 Joined: 1st May, 2005 Car(s): LAGMASTER Real Name: DAVE Trader Rating : 6 |
yeah go the dirty truck turbo! hey i almost had a heart attack when i opened the box of my new bullseye power s372!! its massive. im a little worried but we will have to see.
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9 Mar 2009, 08:11 PM
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![]() Rank: RB30E ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4,322 Joined: 26th May, 2008 From: mildura vic Car(s): HNR32 GTS-4 RB25DET Trader Rating : 0 Garage: Skyline HNR32 GTS-4 |
Does anyone know off the top of their head the appropriate specs for a HX35 to suit a Rb25DET?
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10 Mar 2009, 10:07 AM
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Rank: RB20DE ![]() ![]() Posts: 22 Joined: 8th March, 2009 From: Okinawa Japan Car(s): 1992 Lancer RS Real Name: Doc Trader Rating : 0 |
HX80 sounds like more fun.
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10 Mar 2009, 10:28 AM
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Rank: RB25DET ![]() Posts: 1,238 Joined: 3rd June, 2004 From: Wellington, NZ Car(s): 1997 R33 GTS25t Real Name: Mr Lith Trader Rating : 0 |
bozodos - What do you mean by the appropriate sizes? Suitable turbine housing size or..? I treat the HX35 as roughly equivalent to a GT30R.
Power to weight ratio........ 4wd advantage for the non R types Quite keen to see these videos of 7s runs? -------------------- '97 R33 GTS25t with Garrett GT3076R on board :)
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10 Mar 2009, 11:00 AM
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Rank: RB20DE ![]() ![]() Posts: 22 Joined: 8th March, 2009 From: Okinawa Japan Car(s): 1992 Lancer RS Real Name: Doc Trader Rating : 0 |
bozodos - What do you mean by the appropriate sizes? Suitable turbine housing size or..? I treat the HX35 as roughly equivalent to a GT30R. Quite keen to see these videos of 7s runs? Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTTEdswe_v0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSptlw-L_U Don't mis-quote me. I never said that Skylines don't have potential. Right now I am in the process of building my Evo up (melted a piston and decided to go bigger) to match up with a 1000awhp sexy beast of a GT-R. |
10 Mar 2009, 01:00 PM
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Rank: RB25DET ![]() Posts: 1,238 Joined: 3rd June, 2004 From: Wellington, NZ Car(s): 1997 R33 GTS25t Real Name: Mr Lith Trader Rating : 0 |
They are running Garretts, and that EVO is tube front - there are no tube frame GTRs that I am aware of and Shep last I heard may have given up on the AWD chase.
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10 Mar 2009, 01:05 PM
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Rank: RB20DE ![]() ![]() Posts: 22 Joined: 8th March, 2009 From: Okinawa Japan Car(s): 1992 Lancer RS Real Name: Doc Trader Rating : 0 |
Holsets are still fairly new (2-3 years old) to street cars. Give it some time and I'm sure you will see some insane cars with them running.
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10 Mar 2009, 01:09 PM
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Rank: RB20DE ![]() ![]() Posts: 22 Joined: 8th March, 2009 From: Okinawa Japan Car(s): 1992 Lancer RS Real Name: Doc Trader Rating : 0 |
To add to that.
For someone looking to build a preformance car on a budget these are the turbines to use. I have a 800+HP capable turbine and I got it for $100 US + shipping. The GT35R I had on previously was $1300US + shipping and is only rated to 650HP at the top of the map where I was not boosting. The car we've been tuning recently is a stock 25 block with a 26 head boosting 1.7 bar on the HX52 and maxing out 740CC injectors. |
10 Mar 2009, 09:18 PM
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![]() Rank: RB30E ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4,322 Joined: 26th May, 2008 From: mildura vic Car(s): HNR32 GTS-4 RB25DET Trader Rating : 0 Garage: Skyline HNR32 GTS-4 |
well I guess a turbine flowing say 600hp? I'm not very good with turbocharging terms, it's something I need to research!
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11 Mar 2009, 11:01 AM
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![]() Yankee ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 514 Joined: 17th May, 2007 From: US--no more japan :-( Car(s): '92 GTSt w/RB25 & HX40 Real Name: Chris Trader Rating : 1 |
Bozodos--I'm missing what you are asking. Are you asking how much hp you can make on a RB25 with a HX35?
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