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24 Mar 2007, 12:26 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Hi guys
I just thought we could have a thread where everyone could post up links to articles on suspension/handling that they thought was informative. Recommended books would also be great. Here's a few that I thought were good: General suspension mumbo jumbo http://www.rqriley.com/suspensn.htm Good section on shocks http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets.html FSAE paper on suspension http://campus.umr.edu/fsae/library/sae_paper/paper.html General suspension, covers different types of suspension, with pros and cons http://www.carbibles.com/suspension_bible.html Great stuff on dampers and how to tune them (great for you guys with 4 way adjustable shocks or the like http://g-speed.com/pbh/dampers.html Theoretical weight transfer stuff http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/wttrans.html More in depth stuff on alignment (toe, camber and caster) http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html Great article on steering (ackerman or anti-ackerman) http://www.racing-car-technology.com.au/St...20Ackerman4.doc Tuning side of things http://www.wtrscca.org/tech.htm More suspension tuning http://www.corforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,1369.0.html Physics of Racing http://phors.locost7.info/contents.htm Pros and Cons of Twin-tube damper http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/060..._5/dampers.html Pros and Cons of Monotube damper http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/060...it_stick_part_6 Penske shocks tech manual, lots of good info in there
AdjustableTechManual.pdf ( 1.75MB )
Number of downloads: 84Wheel weight archive http://www.wheelweights.net Awesome stuff for choosing baseline spring/bar/shock rates, OptimumG tech tips http://www.optimumg.com/techtips_techtips.htm A HUGE assortment of articles from one of the writers of Racecar Engineering. http://rejsa.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40875 So yeah, post up your own and hopefully this way, we can get a great source of info that doesn't require too much sifting through, just a bit of time to read Cheers -------------------- |
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4 Apr 2007, 10:32 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Well this didn't turn out like I had hoped...
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16 May 2007, 09:36 PM
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![]() I dont know what i'm doing all i know is i dont want to stop ![]() ![]() Posts: 404 Joined: 29th November, 2004 From: Sydney Inner West Car(s): R32 GTR Real Name: Adam Trader Rating : 1 |
This is exactly the sort of info i was looking for - it has tables describing what changes in spring rate, sway bar stiffness and shock damping do. Then talks about tyre temperatures and has a Solving Handling Problems section at the bottom. Gold i tells ya....
http://www.wtrscca.org/tech.htm EDIT: Spring rate calculator's from URAS thread 1. http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/ShocksSpringRateF...te%20Calculator 2. http://www.iroczone.com/calcs/chassis.htm Wheel Weights from Mr Keets thread; http://www.wheelweights.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_(vehicle) -------------------- "Behold, the dreamer cometh. Come now, therefore, and let us slay him.....and we shall see what becomes of his dream"
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16 May 2007, 09:48 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Yeah, I saw someone (you???) post that article in another thread, thought it was great, was going to add it in here, but forgot all about it.
Keep 'em coming fellas, it's looking a little better now -------------------- |
25 May 2007, 02:48 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 869 Joined: 22nd October, 2003 From: Perth Trader Rating : 3 |
i've found these sometime ago
Suspension Tuning 101 http://www.corforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,1369.0.html and ANDY'S TOP TEN AUTOX DRIVING TIPS By Andy Hollis (Andy is a multiple National Solo Champion and an instructor for the Evolution Solo School) Originally posted on Miata.Net [Just got back from a weekend of teaching Evolution schools and thought I'd share some stuff that I must have said a thousand times.] 1] Position first, then speed. Positioning the car perfectly is more important than trying to attain the highest potential speed. For example, you will drop more time by correctly positioning the car nearer to slalom cones than you will by adding 1 or 2 MPH in speed. Same with sweepers (tight line). Same with 90-degree turns (use all of the track). Also, position is a prerequisite for speed. If you are not in the correct place, you will not be able go faster. Or at least not for very long! 2] Turn earlier...and less. To go faster, the arc you are running must be bigger. A bigger arc requires less steering. To make a bigger arc that is centered in the same place, the arc must start sooner (turn earlier). 3] Brake earlier...and less. Waiting until the last possible second approaching a turn and then dropping anchor at precisely the correct place so that the desired entry speed is reached exactly as you come to the turn-in point is quite difficult to execute consistently. Especially when you consider that you get no practice runs on the course, and the surface changes on every run, and you aren't likely to be in exactly the same position with the same approach speed on every run, etc. Better to start braking a little earlier to give some margin of error. And by braking less you can either add or subtract braking effort as you close in on the turn-in point. This will make you consistent and smooth. 4] Lift early instead of braking later. Continuing with the philosophy of #3, when you need to reduce speed only a moderate amount, try an early lift of the throttle instead of a later push of the brake. This is less upsetting to the car, is easier to do and thus more consistent, and allows for more precise placement entering the maneuver (remember #1 above). 5] Easier to add speed in a turn than to get rid of it. If you are under the limit, a slight push of the right foot will get you more speed with no additional side effects. On the other hand, if you are too fast and the tires have begun slipping, you can only reduce throttle and wait until the tires turn enough of that excess energy into smoke and heat. Don't use your tires as brakes! 6] Use your right foot to modulate car position in constant radius turns, not the steering wheel. In a steady state turn, once you have established the correct steering input to maintain that arc, lifting the throttle slightly will let the car tuck in closer to the inside cones. Conversely, slightly increasing the throttle will push the car out a bit farther to avoid inside cones. It is much easier to make small corrections in position with slight variations in the tires' slip angle (that's what you are doing with the throttle) than with the steering wheel. 7] Unwind the wheel, then add power. If the car is using all of the tire's tractive capacity to corner, there is none left for additional acceleration. At corner exit, as you unwind the wheel, you make some available. If you do not unwind the wheel, the tire will start to slide and the car will push out (see #6 above). 8] Attack the back. For slaloms (also applicable to most offsets), getting close to the cones is critical for quick times (see #1). To get close, we must move the car less, which means bigger arcs. Bigger arcs come from less steering and require earlier turning (see #2). Now for the fun part... When you go by a slalom cone and start turning the steering wheel back the other way, when does the car start to actually change direction? Answer: When the wheel crosses the center point (Not when you first start turning back!) How long does that take? If you are smooth, it takes .25 - .5 seconds. Now, how long is a typical person's reaction time? Answer: about .5 seconds. Finally, how long does it take to go between slalom cones? Answer: Typically on the order of 1 second. Given all of that, your brain must make the decision to begin turning the steering wheel back the other way just *before* you go by the previous cone!! Since this is a mental issue, a good visualization technique to get used to this is to think about trying to run over the back side of each slalom cone with the inside rear tire of the car. To hit it with the rear tire (and not the front), the car must be arcing well before the cone and the arc must be shallow. Attack the back! 9] Hands follow the eyes, car follows the hands. 'Nuf said. 10] Scan ahead, don't stare. Keep the eyes moving. Looking ahead does not mean staring ahead. Your eyes must be constantly moving forward and back, and sometimes left and right. Glance forward, glance back. Your brain can only operate on the information you give it. Bonus Tip: Don't forget the stuff in between the marked maneuvers! Too often we think of a course as series of discrete maneuvers. There is typically more to be gained or lost in the areas that are in between. Pay special attention to the places where there are no cones, as MUCH time can be saved/made-up there. |
9 Jun 2007, 07:37 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 157 Joined: 6th November, 2004 Trader Rating : 0 |
Here are a couple that are interesting.
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/wttrans.html http://phors.locost7.info/contents.htm -------------------- Richard..............
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24 Jul 2007, 08:01 PM
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[url=http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-suspension.htm[/url]
just explaining some facts.nothing as far as ive read on how to set up the car. -------------------- R33 For Sale $16.5K
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29 Aug 2007, 11:55 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Newly added links, put all links into first post to make things a bit easier
http://g-speed.com/pbh/dampers.html http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html http://www.racing-car-technology.com.au/St...20Ackerman4.doc -------------------- |
30 Aug 2007, 09:53 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 869 Joined: 22nd October, 2003 From: Perth Trader Rating : 3 |
Salad, you're a legend
(though I must admit I hate salad more than anything) would you be able to fix this link? http://www.racing-car-technology.com.au/St...20Ackerman4.doc or do we have to subscribe? Here's another good one http://www.carbibles.com Everything the DIY car enthusiast needs to know about basic car maintenance, wheels, tyres or tires, engine oil or motor oil, suspension (including springs and shock absorbers), brakes (disc brakes and drum brakes), gearboxes, transmissions, engines, motors, petrol, gasoline and general car maintenance. |
30 Aug 2007, 10:28 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Dont worry, I hate salad too, dunno why I use it for everything on the internet...
Link fixed. Shouldn't have to subscribe, should just open up a word file. -------------------- |
4 Oct 2007, 10:12 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 869 Joined: 22nd October, 2003 From: Perth Trader Rating : 3 |
Pros and Cons of Twin-tube damper
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/060..._5/dampers.html Pros and Cons of Monotube damper http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/060...it_stick_part_6 |
4 Oct 2007, 11:47 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Some decent info in there
Only thing I spotted wrong from a quick read was about the shim preload. It says shim preload mainly affects low speed, but it actually mainly affects high speed. I'll add them into the original post. -------------------- |
10 Jan 2008, 11:51 AM
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![]() SR20DET ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 64 Joined: 28th January, 2007 From: Sunny Gold Coast Car(s): 200SX S15 specR "BLU 200" Real Name: Graham Slack Trader Rating : 0 |
Whiteline links a fair few articles ... ive read some of them... except they seem to have alot aimed at WRX's :S
www.whiteline.com.au click on "Reviews and Articles" on the LHS menu. then "Technical and How to Guides" in the main frame. -------------------- Youtube myspace and I'll google your yahoo
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11 Jan 2008, 10:45 AM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Yeah, Whiteline has a fair bit of info, pretty useful stuff too, not too basic, not too full on.
Here's some real full on stuff for those that are really keen. It's mainly for suspension design and picking baseline spring/bar/shock rates. http://www.optimumg.com/techtips_techtips.htm -------------------- |
22 Apr 2008, 11:01 PM
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![]() Rank: RB25DET ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,768 Joined: 3rd July, 2005 From: Adelaide, SA Car(s): 4dr 32 Real Name: Showza Trader Rating : 14 |
Just found this the other night. It's a HUGE assortment of not too mathsy, not too simple articles by one of the writers for Racecar Engineering.
A HUGE assortment of articles from one of the writers of Racecar Engineering. http://rejsa.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40875 -------------------- |
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